Comments on: Mr Angry’s rules for permanent employees working with contractors http://angryaussie.wordpress.com/2006/07/31/mr-angrys-rules-for-permanent-employees-working-with-contractors/ The original Mr Angry... Finding something to be angry about every day of the year Mon, 07 Dec 2009 17:44:03 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Mr Angry http://angryaussie.wordpress.com/2006/07/31/mr-angrys-rules-for-permanent-employees-working-with-contractors/#comment-41255 Mr Angry Fri, 18 May 2007 02:30:25 +0000 https://angryaussie.wordpress.com/2006/07/31/mr-angrys-rules-for-permanent-employees-working-with-contractors/#comment-41255 Well, with such a well-reasoned and supported argument, who could possibly disagree with your estimation on who the jerk actually is? Well, with such a well-reasoned and supported argument, who could possibly disagree with your estimation on who the jerk actually is?

]]> By: yaya http://angryaussie.wordpress.com/2006/07/31/mr-angrys-rules-for-permanent-employees-working-with-contractors/#comment-41252 yaya Fri, 18 May 2007 01:44:29 +0000 https://angryaussie.wordpress.com/2006/07/31/mr-angrys-rules-for-permanent-employees-working-with-contractors/#comment-41252 Contractors are jerks Contractors are jerks

]]> By: Mr Angry http://angryaussie.wordpress.com/2006/07/31/mr-angrys-rules-for-permanent-employees-working-with-contractors/#comment-3472 Mr Angry Wed, 09 Aug 2006 23:46:34 +0000 https://angryaussie.wordpress.com/2006/07/31/mr-angrys-rules-for-permanent-employees-working-with-contractors/#comment-3472 PP: so long as the contractor isn't a jerk don't be too harsh on him. I think you have the right to be pissed off at management if his rate is disproportionate to yours. Better still, follow your plan, take control and get what you're worth! PP: so long as the contractor isn’t a jerk don’t be too harsh on him. I think you have the right to be pissed off at management if his rate is disproportionate to yours. Better still, follow your plan, take control and get what you’re worth!

]]> By: PissedPerm http://angryaussie.wordpress.com/2006/07/31/mr-angrys-rules-for-permanent-employees-working-with-contractors/#comment-3470 PissedPerm Wed, 09 Aug 2006 23:17:45 +0000 https://angryaussie.wordpress.com/2006/07/31/mr-angrys-rules-for-permanent-employees-working-with-contractors/#comment-3470 A foreign contractor has just joined our small company - because I know his high hourly rate compare to mine (I overheard the hourly rate discussion between the head of our IT and the agency) I hate his guts and will never speak to or acknowledge him. I intend to leave the company as soon as possible and go contracting myself. A foreign contractor has just joined our small company – because I know his high hourly rate compare to mine (I overheard the hourly rate discussion between the head of our IT and the agency) I hate his guts and will never speak to or acknowledge him. I intend to leave the company as soon as possible and go contracting myself.

]]> By: Mr Angry http://angryaussie.wordpress.com/2006/07/31/mr-angrys-rules-for-permanent-employees-working-with-contractors/#comment-3262 Mr Angry Wed, 02 Aug 2006 00:53:27 +0000 https://angryaussie.wordpress.com/2006/07/31/mr-angrys-rules-for-permanent-employees-working-with-contractors/#comment-3262 A lot of people do jump into contracting without much preparation. If you start somewhere good, you're lucky - but there are heaps of things that can go wrong. A lot of people do jump into contracting without much preparation. If you start somewhere good, you’re lucky – but there are heaps of things that can go wrong.

]]> By: bigstarlet http://angryaussie.wordpress.com/2006/07/31/mr-angrys-rules-for-permanent-employees-working-with-contractors/#comment-3231 bigstarlet Tue, 01 Aug 2006 01:05:20 +0000 https://angryaussie.wordpress.com/2006/07/31/mr-angrys-rules-for-permanent-employees-working-with-contractors/#comment-3231 I could have used this advice at my last VERY LONG TERM contractor position. It would have save me some headaches. Not to mention heartaches... I pretty much made every mistake a contractor could make, as well as see every mistake a manager could do in relaying information between perms and temps (my bad: I actually responded when someone asked how much I was making at the job - it turned out to be more than he was making. Their bad: not relaying to the perm I was working the most closely with what my responsiblities actually were going to be, basically turning me into a threat, in the perm's eyes). I'm now a "perm" myself, tho' not at that particular company. I loved being a temp, but well, you know... I could have used this advice at my last VERY LONG TERM contractor position. It would have save me some headaches. Not to mention heartaches…

I pretty much made every mistake a contractor could make, as well as see every mistake a manager could do in relaying information between perms and temps (my bad: I actually responded when someone asked how much I was making at the job – it turned out to be more than he was making. Their bad: not relaying to the perm I was working the most closely with what my responsiblities actually were going to be, basically turning me into a threat, in the perm’s eyes).

I’m now a “perm” myself, tho’ not at that particular company. I loved being a temp, but well, you know…

]]> By: Mr Angry http://angryaussie.wordpress.com/2006/07/31/mr-angrys-rules-for-permanent-employees-working-with-contractors/#comment-3230 Mr Angry Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:31:14 +0000 https://angryaussie.wordpress.com/2006/07/31/mr-angrys-rules-for-permanent-employees-working-with-contractors/#comment-3230 You're both right. Permanents shouldn't ask a contractor what they're being paid simply because it's hard to stay objective when you hear that big number. And contractors have huge amounts of expenses that permanents don't have as well as not having job security. I think in most cases the difference works out about 25% in the contractor's favour in pure dollar terms but that's the benefit you earn for giving up the security of permanent employment. You’re both right. Permanents shouldn’t ask a contractor what they’re being paid simply because it’s hard to stay objective when you hear that big number. And contractors have huge amounts of expenses that permanents don’t have as well as not having job security. I think in most cases the difference works out about 25% in the contractor’s favour in pure dollar terms but that’s the benefit you earn for giving up the security of permanent employment.

]]> By: edarrell http://angryaussie.wordpress.com/2006/07/31/mr-angrys-rules-for-permanent-employees-working-with-contractors/#comment-3222 edarrell Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:36:25 +0000 https://angryaussie.wordpress.com/2006/07/31/mr-angrys-rules-for-permanent-employees-working-with-contractors/#comment-3222 The contractor at $100/hour must work two days monthly to provide health care benefits; two days to cover the minor overhead of the job, monthly. Is that much different from what full-time employees must work? Then there are the marketing costs, the billing and accounting costs, the doubling of the social security tax (FICA) -- unless the full-time worker is at $10/hour, $100/hour could well work out to less than the full time worker is making at considerably less. The contractor at $100/hour must work two days monthly to provide health care benefits; two days to cover the minor overhead of the job, monthly. Is that much different from what full-time employees must work? Then there are the marketing costs, the billing and accounting costs, the doubling of the social security tax (FICA) — unless the full-time worker is at $10/hour, $100/hour could well work out to less than the full time worker is making at considerably less.

]]> By: range http://angryaussie.wordpress.com/2006/07/31/mr-angrys-rules-for-permanent-employees-working-with-contractors/#comment-3220 range Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:21:24 +0000 https://angryaussie.wordpress.com/2006/07/31/mr-angrys-rules-for-permanent-employees-working-with-contractors/#comment-3220 Yep, it's hard to hear that a contractor makes 100$ an hour. Yep, it’s hard to hear that a contractor makes 100$ an hour.

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