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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 11:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maldris Mate that&#039;s not going to really stop us.

I&#039;m gonna be honest I participate in some fairly colorful behavior on the net anything the government can throw at us is avoidable however thats because we know these systems.

Most people get this outlook on things a certain look &quot;we&#039;ll put this program in place and that will fix it&quot;  Thats not the case people fail to realise that hackers work on making these programs and know them inside out.

For every system they put in place people who really know what there doing and that are a danger on the internet already know how to bypass it heck even high school students know how to bypass some of these mechanisims.

All the government is doing is screwing over the average guy. There is no other way to put this issue.

And as for the internet speed and usage.

I live in australia myself and I know were your coming from it is so anoying and having a slower intnenet speed than the rest of the world is a fair disadvantage most people wil notice this when playing online games such as World of Warcraft. 

The reason for shit intenert is becuase unlike in america Australia has no real big compotion heck it&#039;s like everything else they did a survey and it turned out farmer&#039;s were paid shit conpared to the ones in the US the big telco companies can charge us big prices and get away with it.


This Idea is stupid it will not stop hackers, It will not stop porn, People know how to bypass it.

Although I do have a fresh breath for everyone should this absolutely ludicrous idea go to pass I personally will be making sure to get out information to bypass the systems as early as possible if the government is gonna be Idiots I&#039;m gonna help the people who don&#039;t know how to bypass it.

Unfortunately thou this might pass it is as many have stated playing on the &quot;innocence vote&quot; and the &quot;security vote&quot; also and we all know when they start using big words like &quot;Kiddie rape&quot; and &quot;terrorist web threats&quot; that everyone gets scared and goes with what the government ses and mark my words that&#039;s the angle there gonna sell this to the public as and low and behold if we ever get a referendum you guarantee the christian vote will be there too cause lets be reasonable folks &quot;yes I mean you&quot; when your Christian (or any other religion conflict this is just a example) and the internet allows stuff like the church of sadism of course there gonna have the vote to axe it.

But I agree with angry Aussie a public outcry is in order, However I do not think it should stop at internet censorship we need proper laws put in place for freedom of speech we need them it is absolute bullshit that the government can legally at the moment say to lets Channel seven nope you can&#039;t say that on public TV cause we said so and there is no laws saying otherwise!

This censorship idea is crap needs to be scrapped

We need more market competition for better internet 

And freedom of speech the most basic foundation for a society how can we claim to be a democracy when we can not talk freely  

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maldris Mate that&#8217;s not going to really stop us.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m gonna be honest I participate in some fairly colorful behavior on the net anything the government can throw at us is avoidable however thats because we know these systems.</p>
<p>Most people get this outlook on things a certain look &#8220;we&#8217;ll put this program in place and that will fix it&#8221;  Thats not the case people fail to realise that hackers work on making these programs and know them inside out.</p>
<p>For every system they put in place people who really know what there doing and that are a danger on the internet already know how to bypass it heck even high school students know how to bypass some of these mechanisims.</p>
<p>All the government is doing is screwing over the average guy. There is no other way to put this issue.</p>
<p>And as for the internet speed and usage.</p>
<p>I live in australia myself and I know were your coming from it is so anoying and having a slower intnenet speed than the rest of the world is a fair disadvantage most people wil notice this when playing online games such as World of Warcraft. </p>
<p>The reason for shit intenert is becuase unlike in america Australia has no real big compotion heck it&#8217;s like everything else they did a survey and it turned out farmer&#8217;s were paid shit conpared to the ones in the US the big telco companies can charge us big prices and get away with it.</p>
<p>This Idea is stupid it will not stop hackers, It will not stop porn, People know how to bypass it.</p>
<p>Although I do have a fresh breath for everyone should this absolutely ludicrous idea go to pass I personally will be making sure to get out information to bypass the systems as early as possible if the government is gonna be Idiots I&#8217;m gonna help the people who don&#8217;t know how to bypass it.</p>
<p>Unfortunately thou this might pass it is as many have stated playing on the &#8220;innocence vote&#8221; and the &#8220;security vote&#8221; also and we all know when they start using big words like &#8220;Kiddie rape&#8221; and &#8220;terrorist web threats&#8221; that everyone gets scared and goes with what the government ses and mark my words that&#8217;s the angle there gonna sell this to the public as and low and behold if we ever get a referendum you guarantee the christian vote will be there too cause lets be reasonable folks &#8220;yes I mean you&#8221; when your Christian (or any other religion conflict this is just a example) and the internet allows stuff like the church of sadism of course there gonna have the vote to axe it.</p>
<p>But I agree with angry Aussie a public outcry is in order, However I do not think it should stop at internet censorship we need proper laws put in place for freedom of speech we need them it is absolute bullshit that the government can legally at the moment say to lets Channel seven nope you can&#8217;t say that on public TV cause we said so and there is no laws saying otherwise!</p>
<p>This censorship idea is crap needs to be scrapped</p>
<p>We need more market competition for better internet </p>
<p>And freedom of speech the most basic foundation for a society how can we claim to be a democracy when we can not talk freely  </p>
<p>Nuff Said</p>
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		<title>By: Ross</title>
		<link>http://angryaussie.wordpress.com/2008/10/22/australian-government-plan-to-kill-the-internet/#comment-153634</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 12:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have so far written two letters and am about to send a third letter to both my local member as well as to Senator Conroy and have received no response at all, I would of thought I&#039;d get a response by now and I used a copy of the letter I found on the EFA website, I find it very strange, that&#039;s all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have so far written two letters and am about to send a third letter to both my local member as well as to Senator Conroy and have received no response at all, I would of thought I&#8217;d get a response by now and I used a copy of the letter I found on the EFA website, I find it very strange, that&#8217;s all.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 07:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Maldris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maldris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes this just got coverage on Good News Week.

For those overseas and those who just don’t know, Good News Week is a comedy show that takes the piss out of current affairs and widely insults politicians (as they deserve).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes this just got coverage on Good News Week.</p>
<p>For those overseas and those who just don’t know, Good News Week is a comedy show that takes the piss out of current affairs and widely insults politicians (as they deserve).</p>
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		<title>By: Maldris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maldris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 07:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sware that if they somehow manage to make this go ahead then a huge amount of Aussie hackers are going to band together and take any and all such systems down (hmmm, this sounds like a good idea wonder if I can get involved somehow. lol) but the whole idea if immensely flawed and is going to bring about an enormous uprising (military dictatorship anyone)

btw. I dont think you have much to worry about &quot;The Man&quot; knowing about your site I&#039;ve known sites that are far worse than this than never got taken down even when they breached their server conditions. lol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sware that if they somehow manage to make this go ahead then a huge amount of Aussie hackers are going to band together and take any and all such systems down (hmmm, this sounds like a good idea wonder if I can get involved somehow. lol) but the whole idea if immensely flawed and is going to bring about an enormous uprising (military dictatorship anyone)</p>
<p>btw. I dont think you have much to worry about &#8220;The Man&#8221; knowing about your site I&#8217;ve known sites that are far worse than this than never got taken down even when they breached their server conditions. lol.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Angry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr Angry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 04:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maldris: I am doing my best to spread the word.  Thankfully, this is starting to get more mainstream coverage.

Nigel: Britain’s all about surveillance.  Australia’s all about censorship.

Custador: Oh thanks dude – now “the man” is onto my blog!

Jared: What this sort of “filter” would do is fuck up internet speeds for everyone, fuck up access for ordinary people and present an absolutely trivial road bump to criminals.  Wrong and bad on every level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maldris: I am doing my best to spread the word.  Thankfully, this is starting to get more mainstream coverage.</p>
<p>Nigel: Britain’s all about surveillance.  Australia’s all about censorship.</p>
<p>Custador: Oh thanks dude – now “the man” is onto my blog!</p>
<p>Jared: What this sort of “filter” would do is fuck up internet speeds for everyone, fuck up access for ordinary people and present an absolutely trivial road bump to criminals.  Wrong and bad on every level.</p>
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		<title>By: Jared W</title>
		<link>http://angryaussie.wordpress.com/2008/10/22/australian-government-plan-to-kill-the-internet/#comment-151739</link>
		<dc:creator>Jared W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a Tech at a school and i manage a Website Proxy known as Dans Guardian, we have had it in place for 3 years and STILL it always blocks a few good website here and there, there is no real effective way to block unwanted sites as the internet grows to such an extent that it is unmanageable. 

The only company that could ever Censor the internet is Google as only there inventory System ins powerful enough to fully scan a page and deem its content intent.

Even though this Would make my job alot easier because kids would not be able to get to the bad stuff, it still worrys me. Even though i do own stinger software systems and my company designs software to counter Network and internet misuse by monitoring, this sceme is a bad one.

Also Torrent Site WILL be blocked and their Trackers so you can forget Limewire, Rapidshare and Utorrent and the piratebay all and more of these sites will be gone. I work for the gov and i know the kind of stuff they are suggesting and it will kill the internet.

Regards
Jared w
School Network Administrator</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a Tech at a school and i manage a Website Proxy known as Dans Guardian, we have had it in place for 3 years and STILL it always blocks a few good website here and there, there is no real effective way to block unwanted sites as the internet grows to such an extent that it is unmanageable. </p>
<p>The only company that could ever Censor the internet is Google as only there inventory System ins powerful enough to fully scan a page and deem its content intent.</p>
<p>Even though this Would make my job alot easier because kids would not be able to get to the bad stuff, it still worrys me. Even though i do own stinger software systems and my company designs software to counter Network and internet misuse by monitoring, this sceme is a bad one.</p>
<p>Also Torrent Site WILL be blocked and their Trackers so you can forget Limewire, Rapidshare and Utorrent and the piratebay all and more of these sites will be gone. I work for the gov and i know the kind of stuff they are suggesting and it will kill the internet.</p>
<p>Regards<br />
Jared w<br />
School Network Administrator</p>
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		<title>By: custador</title>
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		<dc:creator>custador</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The British government is trying to build a database that the US already have. Menwith Hill is a Project Echelon station (where somebody is about to read this post because it mentions Menwith Hill and Echelon) already. All internet traffic, emails and &#039;phone calls in the UK already go through there. Don&#039;t for a second think that we&#039;ve ever had privacy; a foreign government has carte blanche over our communications.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The British government is trying to build a database that the US already have. Menwith Hill is a Project Echelon station (where somebody is about to read this post because it mentions Menwith Hill and Echelon) already. All internet traffic, emails and &#8216;phone calls in the UK already go through there. Don&#8217;t for a second think that we&#8217;ve ever had privacy; a foreign government has carte blanche over our communications.</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Norfolk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nigel Norfolk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 11:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am in the UK, and found out about this proposed censorship a few months back. As a member of NZ based forum, I mentioned it, and an Aussie who is also a member of that forum got to find out about it that way, we now keep in contact, passing news items to each other - it is quite surprising how news concerning your own country, is NOT reported in your own country, and has to be found elsewhere.

It turns out that the British government are trying to do something similar, in a similar fashion; the British government are also trying to setup a huge database to keep records of ALL phone calls, and Internet traffic which originates and/or terminates in the UK, along with the details of phone numbers/IP addresses of the people involved.

As a result of our governments intentions, I have been in touch with parliament, to make my feelings known; I did receive a nice letter of acknowledgement, but still, there is nothing in the news, or most public discussion groups about it.

When I try to speak to people about these issues, they don&#039;t get the point, and often respond with &quot;Well, it&#039;ll protect the kids&quot; &quot;I&#039;ve got nothing to hide&quot; &quot;They have to catch terrorists/paedophiles/criminals somehow&quot;.
If you ask them how they would feel about the government opening and reading their &#039;snail-mail&#039; you get a completely different response (surprisingly)!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am in the UK, and found out about this proposed censorship a few months back. As a member of NZ based forum, I mentioned it, and an Aussie who is also a member of that forum got to find out about it that way, we now keep in contact, passing news items to each other &#8211; it is quite surprising how news concerning your own country, is NOT reported in your own country, and has to be found elsewhere.</p>
<p>It turns out that the British government are trying to do something similar, in a similar fashion; the British government are also trying to setup a huge database to keep records of ALL phone calls, and Internet traffic which originates and/or terminates in the UK, along with the details of phone numbers/IP addresses of the people involved.</p>
<p>As a result of our governments intentions, I have been in touch with parliament, to make my feelings known; I did receive a nice letter of acknowledgement, but still, there is nothing in the news, or most public discussion groups about it.</p>
<p>When I try to speak to people about these issues, they don&#8217;t get the point, and often respond with &#8220;Well, it&#8217;ll protect the kids&#8221; &#8220;I&#8217;ve got nothing to hide&#8221; &#8220;They have to catch terrorists/paedophiles/criminals somehow&#8221;.<br />
If you ask them how they would feel about the government opening and reading their &#8217;snail-mail&#8217; you get a completely different response (surprisingly)!!</p>
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		<title>By: Maldris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maldris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey if you think the CNN example was bad, my father works in local government and had a page on state legislation open and his local content filter blocked it as illegal. Yes thats right the filter blocked LEGISLATION (the law) from a member of government, and the system they had was actualy prety good, think how much worse it would be at ISP level.


Anyway I&#039;ve sent several letters and have been informing asmany people as I can about it, your right about it being done in a hidden manner, I&#039;ve always considered myself an informed geek and I only heard about it a while ago (then again I&#039;ve been away from the internet for a while for HSC preparations, NSW people know what I mean)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey if you think the CNN example was bad, my father works in local government and had a page on state legislation open and his local content filter blocked it as illegal. Yes thats right the filter blocked LEGISLATION (the law) from a member of government, and the system they had was actualy prety good, think how much worse it would be at ISP level.</p>
<p>Anyway I&#8217;ve sent several letters and have been informing asmany people as I can about it, your right about it being done in a hidden manner, I&#8217;ve always considered myself an informed geek and I only heard about it a while ago (then again I&#8217;ve been away from the internet for a while for HSC preparations, NSW people know what I mean)</p>
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